Escalation: A Podcast History of U.S.-Ukraine Relations

February 24, 2025 marked three years of Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s full-scale invasion—three years of resilience, sacrifice, and a war that has reshaped global politics. As Ukraine faces mounting battlefield challenges and growing uncertainty over U.S. support, the conflict has reached a pivotal moment.

To coincide with this anniversary, Lawfare and Goat Rodeo are proud to present Escalation, a gripping new narrative podcast that unpacks the complex and often surreal twists and turns in the U.S.-Ukraine relationship. Through exclusive interviews with over 50 diplomats, journalists, spies, and key decision-makers, Escalation tells the story of defining moments that shaped ties between the United States and Ukraine—from high-stakes diplomatic deals, impeachment and corruption scandals, and the largest land war in Europe since World War II.

Join us for a timely and thought-provoking conversation at the intersection of journalism, diplomacy, and war, featuring Escalation co-hosts Lawfare Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina and Managing Editor Tyler McBrien, alongside Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes. Together, they’ll discuss the making of the podcast, share behind-the-scenes insights, and explore what lies ahead for Ukraine.

Moderator:

Eric Ciaramella: Senior Fellow, Russia and Eurasia Program, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace